dan says: hello
dan says: all three in one convo
Koen says: haha
Koen says: yeah also in the other chat
Koen says: but ill close that one
dan says: me to
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: riight, was confused there for a sec :P
dan says: haha
Koen says: haha well we made it
Koen says: right, what's the plan my friends
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: to get some kind of good idea...
Koen says: yeah
Koen says: well shal I go first than?
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: blow us away!
dan says: yea shore
Koen says: Allright wel to get started I thought about the exact question
Koen says: I'll first say it in dutch and then try to translate it
Koen says: Met welke traditie of gebruik wil jij de inwoners van Rotterdam kennis laten maken?
Of Welke traditie of gebruik wat jij hebt geleerd wil jij graag doorgeven aan de inwoners van Rotterdam?
Koen says: Wich tradition or habit you learned do you want to introduce to the people of Rotterdam?
or Wich tradition or habit you learned do you like to pass on to the inhabitants of Rotterdam?
Koen says: Than the way for the voxpop
Koen says: Like we discussed last week, I'm a believer of luring people to you with food.
Koen says: So maybe strawberrys in chocolate or typical foods from all kind of cultures. Just to get the people close and then ask them the question.
Koen says: But next to that I think it can also be interesting if we made just a piece of paper with a question and paste it to places where people wait for the bus, train, tram or at offices. A collegue of mine did it that way, and he was getting a lot of reactions with only pasting paper on a busstop, with a pen attached to it.
Koen says: So maybe we can do and and do both
Koen says: An other think we can think about is not luring the people with food but luring people out of curiosity
Koen says: so than we have to think about creating something strange, so people come our way out of curiosity. But than the problem is how to integrate the question
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: (or oa comb of those, since we may run out of food?)
dan says: yea that's true but if we use food we have to make shore we have enough so it will last
Koen says: yeah or lets say we make 100 things? so if we run out of it, then we have enough answers
dan says: yea and if we use fruit or sweets that will be cheep to get a lot of small ones
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: number of foods is number of answers...
Koen says: yea
Koen says: exactly, the thing is that I'm curious how people will react to that
Koen says: and how to make it work
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: indeed...
Koen says: if we make a big banner with free food
Koen says: when is the time to ask the people the question
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: hordes will come!
Koen says: haha
Koen says: maybe we have to walk with a plate sweets on them
Koen says: and then ask tthem do you want this delicious thing ( whatever it may be) and than immediately ask them a question
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: mobile 'maid cafe'
Koen says: so we dont make a stand
Koen says: yeah exactly
Koen says: walking
Koen says: so but im curious about your ideas
dan says: how would we record it?
Koen says: camera
Koen says: or maybe not
Koen says: maybe we have to tape them secretely
Koen says: but then we dont get pictures of the people
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: most people don't want a camera in their face.. this I know from experience...
Koen says: yeah
Koen says: your right
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: and basically, we only need their voice... since we didn't want to be biased
Koen says: yep
dan says: yea
Koen says: but we thought about taping so maybe we can do something in the future with the data
Koen says: but I think we have to do it secretely
dan says: i think we do need them to know they are being taped
Koen says: just to make it easier for us
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: aah, true...
Koen says: yeah but how can we make that work then?
dan says: but if we wont to play the recordings at the presentation we need to have permission and to make that work we would need some where were they can record by themselves in privet to make them feel more relaxed about doing it
Koen says: why do we need permission Dan?
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: research standards...
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: always let the participants know what your doing...
dan says: well we can do it without permission but technically speaking it is illegal to present it in public without permission
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: or at least afterwards...
Koen says: Well in that case maybe the best thing to do is just being absolutely honest.
Koen says: Good day sir we are bla bla bla from blablabla can I ask you one question?
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: 'No'
Koen says: haha
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: luring, then the 'blabla' might work though
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: but that would require people coming to YOU, not the other way around
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: people will think they have better things to do, and right they are...
dan says: but thats what we have to convince them that it is worth there time
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: I myself was thinking aboout some sort of open tent, but I didn't think security would love us for it
dan says: we would need something that is completely portable to keep them from getting angry
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: exactly
Koen says: like...
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: and because of the rain... some kind of shelter would be nice... that's where my thoughts were going...
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: how to solve it, that's another question *sweatdrop*
Koen says: Well if it rains than it could be very easy
Koen says: just walk around with giant umbrellas
Koen says: and people can come under it
Koen says: but then they have to answer the question
Koen says: so we buy 3 giant umbrellas
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: true enough
Koen says: paint a question sign on top of it
Koen says: awsome
Koen says: but then it HAS to rain
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: yeah
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: and it -is- a rain-sun-rain-sun kind of deal these days...
Koen says: We can never be certain
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: nope
dan says: what happens if we taped a recorder to a umbrella and ad a curtain around it then we have a portable tent that people have privacy in
Koen says: hahaha
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: ooooh
Koen says: Pretty cool idea
Koen says: but will people actually go in?
Koen says: its pretty small
Koen says: maybe thats to private, you know what i mean?
dan says: make it a see through shower curtain then?
Koen says: but what will trigger the people actually going in
Koen says: because the audience has to come really close to a person wiuth a umbrella they dont know
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: doesn't have to be a full length cutain, maybe just enough to cover heads
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: that's true
dan says: no you let them hold the umbrella
dan says: lol
dan says: that would be really close
Koen says: ahhhh
Koen says: thats what you mean
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: and then they would run away with it :P
Koen says: that could be a good one
Koen says: just handig them a umbrella
Koen says: with a curtain
Koen says: and a question in it
Koen says: and how they answer
Koen says: by speaking and we tape it?
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: guess so
dan says: yea just a quick idea i hadn't thought of everything about it
Koen says: yeah
Koen says: but I think it can work
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: but I think there might be a need of something extra... another trigger...
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: just keeping dry may not cut it
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: maybe there's where food comes into play... but it'll need to be a real GIANT umbrella...
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: more like a... you know... anti-sun thing...
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: word escapes me...
Koen says: yeah
dan says: yea
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: sunbrella >.>
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: excuse my idiocy :P
dan says: if we did that we would really need to get people curious about it
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: yup
Koen says: indeed
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: and that when it doesn't rain, it'll still work
dan says: any ideas?
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: if we make it hospitable enough, make it give of a safe, warm, cozy feeling, people might still be intruiged into 'sheltering'
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: even if it's just to talk about I-don't0-know-what, and we just pop the question at some time
Koen says: hmmm...
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: well, it would work with loder people... but I'm not so sure about younger... ehehe...
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: loder..? older...
dan says: maybe louder is the solution just be loud to get attention
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: music... colours..?
Koen says: well i think that younger people if you just wallk to them you can get ypur answers
Koen says: to me its more the old people
Koen says: because I think if it doesnt rain
Koen says: people dont come for shelter
Koen says: they are in the city with a reason, buying stuff and getting hoem as quickly as possible
dan says: so do we stand in there way or to the side?
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: true, though going to people to get them to answer a question... last time someone came to me I was ready to clobber them, just because it was the upteenth time...
Koen says: hmm
Koen says: difficult
dan says: so we have to make them come to us
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: yea
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: I really think that has to be the case
Koen says: so we're back at the start
Koen says: luring them with food? luring them out of curioscity
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: guess so
dan says: is there a way we could rope off a area of the street? and then people culd have to walk through our area
Koen says: hmm
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: not sure... no idea
Koen says: I dont think people like that
dan says: yea thats true
Koen says: And we can;t lie about they can win a bgi prize when they participate can we?
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: lol, no
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: unless the bog prize is a sweet :P
Koen says: haha
Koen says: the big prize is that you have done your good deed of the day
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: a hug from a person of choice
Koen says: maybe we have to play into the feeling that they really did a good deed by participating for 10 seconds
dan says: maybe they get to play a game after answering a question
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: or we make a game that makes sure we get an answer at the end of it
Koen says: but a game that takes a lot of time off peoplew
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: life size 'ganzenborden'.. eh...
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: ah, true...
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: forgot
Koen says: so then the game has to be really really interesting
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: life-changing interesting...
Koen says: haha
Koen says: and what if we make a big banner
Koen says: and a table with food on it
Koen says: so they could already read the question
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: I'm actually a fan of the idea of a banner
Koen says: and than they can make the choice if i take delicious food i have to answer that question
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: and what abput market days? might be a good time...
Koen says: indeed
Koen says: but i wonder how many people will come
Koen says: I have nu idea
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: no idea...
Koen says: Dan, you a live?
Koen says: alife
dan says: sorry was just thinking
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: thinking is good!
dan says: its really hard to tell how many people will actually participate
Koen says: yes
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: no way to tell from just guessing
Koen says: so we have to find out
Koen says: so what idea whe think could attract the most people than we're just trying that out
Koen says: and than it could be an option to also bomb the streets with papers and pens attached to busstops etc
Koen says: (just to get more people
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: exactly, we don't have to hold on to just one idea
Koen says: lets do both
Koen says: the bombing is very easy
Koen says: we design the paper
Koen says: print it 100 times out
Koen says: making a paste tour through rotterdam
Koen says: and after a few days you pick the papers op
Koen says: it could maybe also say something about wehat kind of people or neighborhoods are willing to participate in it
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: true that
dan says: yea
dan says: i think for the non printed one we need to make the experience as quick as possible for people
Koen says: indeed
Koen says: so how do we do that
dan says: maybe the banner should have the question on it so people know the question by the time they get to us. did some one already say that tho?
Koen says: yeah
Koen says: but then why should people go to that banner and answer it
Koen says: I have an idea
Koen says: What if we make a big banner
Koen says: and put the quastion on it
Koen says: but underneath it we write down the answers we get in one word
dan says: or do we have a banner saying answer our question and win a surprise
Koen says: and then turving
Koen says: so people can immediately see what we do with their answers and what the rest is saying
Koen says: so they we immediately give it back to the people of rotterdam
dan says: yea thats true but would seeing that change there answer
Koen says: beacuse they get influenced from others
Koen says: that could be an option
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: good point
Koen says: but maybe the had an answer in their mind and they see a different one and they think a yeah thats more important to me
Koen says: so than they wouldnt lie
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: could go both ways
dan says: yea
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: and if it's only one word, how much influence could that be?
Koen says: well if they see something like be good to people
Koen says: and they see that 80 people said that I can imagine that more people wil answer that question also
Koen says: so you have a point
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: that's true
Koen says: If we ask them individualy we will get different answers than if we putted them on a banner
Koen says: but yeah the question is if it's wrong
dan says: if whats wrong?
Koen says: that people are getting influenced aand answer same things because they see it on the screen
dan says: which wuld be more intresting
Koen says: Well I think we get more answers with writing it on the banner
Koen says: but maybe the individual questions would be more interesting
Koen says: if we ask them individual we get more different answers i would say
dan says: yea thats what i would say
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: would make it more difficult for us
Koen says: a lot i think
dan says: hmm
Koen says: but maybe it could also be more handy for our research if we have less different answers
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: easier to make categories
Koen says: indeed
dan says: i guess it would be cheeper if we just brought a big sheet and some pens!
Koen says: and that we can do with the banner right?
dan says: yea
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: yup
Koen says: so maybe we just have to do it
Koen says: and if one doesnt work well we skip to the other idesa
Koen says: with the writing down the answers yes or no
dan says: which one was that?
Koen says: well if we just make a big sheet with the question on it
Koen says: no never mind
Koen says: im brabbeling
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: oi
dan says: oi what?
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: Koen's brabbeling... that's worth an 'oi', no? ;)
dan says: dont worry koen i just got what you said and what is brabbeling?
Koen says: ahh
Koen says: brabbeling is talking shit
Koen says: so i was trying to say something but then I was like no this doesnt make sense
dan says: ahh ok
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: ghehehe
dan says: so were going to make a big banner and get people to write there answers on it yea?
Koen says: aahh thats also an option
Koen says: i ment that we were writing it down and categorising it
Koen says: but we can let them do it also indeed
Koen says: and then we can categorize it at school
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: lay down some sheets and/or on a banner for them to write on, then we can make sure we have their answers and not our interpretations of what they said to us
dan says: yea
Koen says: allright
Koen says: lets do that
Koen says: we just make a sheet with the text on it
Koen says: and then we are standing by it luring people to us and give them a marker to ewrite things down
dan says: yea
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: yup
Koen says: okay
Koen says: well lets pick a date
Koen says: and lets formulate the excect question now
dan says: yea
Koen says: we have to make the question as easy understanding as possible
dan says: in dutch yea?
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: so that it doesn't need an explanation
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: dutch yeah
Koen says: yea in dutch
Koen says: Met welke traditie of gebruik wil jij de inwoners van Rotterdam kennis laten maken?
Of Welke traditie of gebruik wat jij hebt geleerd wil jij graag doorgeven aan de inwoners van Rotterdam?
Koen zegt: Wich tradition or habit you learned do you want to introduce to the people of Rotterdam?
or Wich tradition or habit you learned do you like to pass on to the inhabitan
Koen says: can we simplify this?
dan says: do you have a tradition or habit you would like to pass on to the people of rotterdam?
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: "What tradtion or habit is important to you?"
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: if it's important to them, they might want to take it 'into the future' and 'introduce the rest of R'dam with it'
Koen says: but is What tradtion or habit is important to you?" the same as Wich tradition or habit you learned do you want to introduce to the people of Rotterdam?
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: not exactly, no
Koen says: your missing out the part sharing with your inhabitants odf rotterdam
Koen says: im not sure if thats a bad thing or a good thing
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: not sure either...
Koen says: because the question is really simple and easy what i like
dan says: i dont think we need to say the people of rotterdam because were asking the people of rotterdam
Koen says: thats true
Koen says: but there are also traditions that you might not want to share with rotterdam?
Koen says: but you still can find them important to you
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: true
dan says: yea
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: 'worth sharing'
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: might be brutish...
Koen says: what tradition/value./habit do you want to share
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: 'with who?'
so maybe 'with rotterdam' might not be amiss
dan says: i dont think we need to mention rotterdam at all
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: maybe not no, now that I think about it
Koen says: okay
Koen says: so just ask them
Koen says: wich valye or habit or blabla is worth sharing
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: yeah
dan says: yea
Koen says: oke
Koen says: great
Koen says: well that leaves us with the date
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: too much text is also a bother, so
Koen says: caraline you know anything about jannekes schedule?
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: nothing
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: But I do have her number, if her email was correct, do I can call
Koen says: allright
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: I can try righ tnow
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says:hold on!
Koen says: yeah great
Koen says: and dan maybe we can alsom bomb the city
Koen says: just for fun
Koen says: for having a great story
dan says: yae
dan says: yea im up for it
Koen says: allright
Koen says: and of course you too caraline
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: up and going!
Koen says: alright
Koen says: we can fix designing the paper in half an hour I think dan
Koen says: this week
dan says: yea
dan says: ive only got one problum i think i need to go to project week because i get credits for it
dan says: but i will double check
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: i have Janneke, so wait a minute
dan says: ok
Koen says: hmm yeah that could be a problem
dan says: i well go see Helen Howard tomorrow
dan says: will*
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: except for thursday, all days in the morning and afternoons
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: and we still have the 'safe-week'
Koen says: yeah
Koen says: but then dan istn part of it
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: true
Koen says: and for you carlaline?
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: tuesday is a bad day, but I'm probably free for the rest of this week
Koen says: allright so we got wednesday and friday
Koen says: than i would say wednesday
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: unless I have an appointment for an internship, but that'll be last minute, so can't say anything about that
dan says: yea im not here fri
Koen says: ah yeah
Koen says: but tuesday is market day
dan says: i can defiantly let you know if i can do wed tomorrow and i dont mind not being there as long as i help do something
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: well, tuesday is possible actually, it'll just be a freakishly long day for me then :P
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: unless I skip SLC in the morning... wich I just might do...
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: so tuesday/wednesday, with tomorrow as a 'can i really go'date?
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: checkpointmonday as it were
Koen says: uhmm so we say tuesday
Koen says: and if it cant be tuesday
Koen says: than wednesday
dan says: tomorrow is going to be really busy in the day tho
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: yeah, but just to let us know tuesday really is possible, in a way of a quick sms?
Koen says: yeah but dan does have a problem becauce actually he has every day lessons
Koen says: or the project i mean
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: ahaa
Koen says: me to actually
dan says: yea
Koen says: but i think im going to skip a lot of it because i dont HAVE to and Dan does
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: I see
Koen says: but if thats the thing then you just can;t every day dan
dan says: yea
Koen says: only at night
Koen says: but thats not an option
dan says: what night?
dan says: well we would have to do the pasting at night
Caraline ~ Saezuru! says: probably
Koen says: yeah but i dont think thats the problem
Koen says: its the daytime banner thing thats the problem
dan says: yea
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